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		<title>By: waqar husain</title>
		<link>http://telecompk.net/2008/04/21/djuicepk-goes-to-telenor/#comment-28842</link>
		<dc:creator>waqar husain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bicoott using telenor</description>
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		<title>By: ZAK</title>
		<link>http://telecompk.net/2008/04/21/djuicepk-goes-to-telenor/#comment-22675</link>
		<dc:creator>ZAK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agreed with MANSOOR,

I think every body should go to all the Pakistani Forums and should convery this message, so that maximum people can aware to this situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agreed with MANSOOR,</p>
<p>I think every body should go to all the Pakistani Forums and should convery this message, so that maximum people can aware to this situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Mansoor</title>
		<link>http://telecompk.net/2008/04/21/djuicepk-goes-to-telenor/#comment-17631</link>
		<dc:creator>Mansoor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 09:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I do not understand is that who is incharge of PKNIC and why it is not under Pakistan Government Control.  

Network Solutions had to shared the registry with other domain registrars so how come one man show in Santa Clara California has full control over a whole countries TLD?

Problems with PKNIC

1) No Contact information for people or phone numbers
2) No SLA for support
3) Has a policy to rip off customers.  When the whole world allows 1 yr registration, they force 2 year registration.
4) Only discloses one email address which is staff@pknic.net.pk for support.  Sending emails to this address does not provide you with any ticket number so that you can follow up with your requests or complaints.
5) It takes them weeks to answer their emails
6) They expect you to send cheques to Lahore with no real way of following up if the payment rec'd

Basically it looks like some guy sitting in Santa Clara California is holding on to the balls of the entire country's TLD. 

I would like to start a petition with Government of Pakistan to take away the .PK registry system and implement it within country and have checks and balances with open community monitoring system.

The domain registry prices should be fair since $15.00 is unfair for a poor country like Pakistan when a rich country like US can offer it for only $7.00.  People should not be forced to register for two years min.  A proper SLA much be provided by PKNIC and PKNIC should have to make public all complaints and resolutions.

Who is with me on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I do not understand is that who is incharge of PKNIC and why it is not under Pakistan Government Control.  </p>
<p>Network Solutions had to shared the registry with other domain registrars so how come one man show in Santa Clara California has full control over a whole countries TLD?</p>
<p>Problems with PKNIC</p>
<p>1) No Contact information for people or phone numbers<br />
2) No SLA for support<br />
3) Has a policy to rip off customers.  When the whole world allows 1 yr registration, they force 2 year registration.<br />
4) Only discloses one email address which is <a href="mailto:staff@pknic.net.pk">staff@pknic.net.pk</a> for support.  Sending emails to this address does not provide you with any ticket number so that you can follow up with your requests or complaints.<br />
5) It takes them weeks to answer their emails<br />
6) They expect you to send cheques to Lahore with no real way of following up if the payment rec&#8217;d</p>
<p>Basically it looks like some guy sitting in Santa Clara California is holding on to the balls of the entire country&#8217;s TLD. </p>
<p>I would like to start a petition with Government of Pakistan to take away the .PK registry system and implement it within country and have checks and balances with open community monitoring system.</p>
<p>The domain registry prices should be fair since $15.00 is unfair for a poor country like Pakistan when a rich country like US can offer it for only $7.00.  People should not be forced to register for two years min.  A proper SLA much be provided by PKNIC and PKNIC should have to make public all complaints and resolutions.</p>
<p>Who is with me on this?</p>
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		<title>By: Muhammad Imtiaz Shafiq</title>
		<link>http://telecompk.net/2008/04/21/djuicepk-goes-to-telenor/#comment-14985</link>
		<dc:creator>Muhammad Imtiaz Shafiq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Faried Nawaz

Thanks for your comments 

""I’m pretty sure that the the composition of PKNIC or DNDRC has nothing to do with Telenor launching djuice as a brand months before you registered djuice.pk.""

Well the composition of PKNIC or DNDRC does matter. As I said earlier I fully respect the ICANN and PKNIC rules. But in this particular case PKNIC and a so called organization DNDRC have violated their own rules to decide an illegal transfer of the doimain djuice.pk. 

In PKNIC terms and conditions it is written  

"""PKNIC reserves the right to cancel, or transfer the domain to the claiming party as per the ICANN's Uniform Domain Name Dispute"""

But no dispute have been started with me. No ICANN's Uniform Domain Name Dispute procedure have been followed.

DNDRC by itself is not listed at ICANN Approved Providers for Uniform Domain-Name Dispute-Resolution Policy http://www.icann.org/dndr/udrp/approved-providers.htm

So how can you expect a judicious decision from them. Well In my case I am sure that I had registered djuice.pk before telenor  got a approved trade mark. Otherwise they would have defiantly registered this domain during the Sunrise Period of PKNIC .pk domains. During sunrise period only Trade Mark owner are given an opportunity to register a domain. 

For me it does not matter what would have been the result of the Domain Dispute I would have fully respected the decision if this have been followed legally and as per rules. 

Anyhow I would thanks every one for their comments especially to Baber Bhatti and his comment 

"Your readers will follow you regardless of the address change, its just a matter of time."

Yes you are right I have shifted my site to http://djuiceblog.com and all my readers have already approached this new address.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Faried Nawaz</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;I’m pretty sure that the the composition of PKNIC or DNDRC has nothing to do with Telenor launching djuice as a brand months before you registered djuice.pk.&#8221;"</p>
<p>Well the composition of PKNIC or DNDRC does matter. As I said earlier I fully respect the ICANN and PKNIC rules. But in this particular case PKNIC and a so called organization DNDRC have violated their own rules to decide an illegal transfer of the doimain djuice.pk. </p>
<p>In PKNIC terms and conditions it is written  </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;"PKNIC reserves the right to cancel, or transfer the domain to the claiming party as per the ICANN&#8217;s Uniform Domain Name Dispute&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
<p>But no dispute have been started with me. No ICANN&#8217;s Uniform Domain Name Dispute procedure have been followed.</p>
<p>DNDRC by itself is not listed at ICANN Approved Providers for Uniform Domain-Name Dispute-Resolution Policy <a href="http://www.icann.org/dndr/udrp/approved-providers.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.icann.org/dndr/udrp/approved-providers.htm</a></p>
<p>So how can you expect a judicious decision from them. Well In my case I am sure that I had registered djuice.pk before telenor  got a approved trade mark. Otherwise they would have defiantly registered this domain during the Sunrise Period of PKNIC .pk domains. During sunrise period only Trade Mark owner are given an opportunity to register a domain. </p>
<p>For me it does not matter what would have been the result of the Domain Dispute I would have fully respected the decision if this have been followed legally and as per rules. </p>
<p>Anyhow I would thanks every one for their comments especially to Baber Bhatti and his comment </p>
<p>&#8220;Your readers will follow you regardless of the address change, its just a matter of time.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes you are right I have shifted my site to <a href="http://djuiceblog.com" rel="nofollow">http://djuiceblog.com</a> and all my readers have already approached this new address.</p>
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		<title>By: Faried Nawaz</title>
		<link>http://telecompk.net/2008/04/21/djuicepk-goes-to-telenor/#comment-14858</link>
		<dc:creator>Faried Nawaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm pretty sure that the the composition of PKNIC or DNDRC has nothing to do with Telenor launching djuice as a brand months before you registered djuice.pk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that the the composition of PKNIC or DNDRC has nothing to do with Telenor launching djuice as a brand months before you registered djuice.pk.</p>
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		<title>By: Muhammad Imtiaz Shafiq</title>
		<link>http://telecompk.net/2008/04/21/djuicepk-goes-to-telenor/#comment-14744</link>
		<dc:creator>Muhammad Imtiaz Shafiq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before answering any question or to explain any thing above, 

I have few questions for which I am looking for answers. 

1. What is actually DNDRC (Domain Dispute Resolution Center) ? Is this
a reality or just a myth

2. Is this an Organization (non-profit base) or a private company?

3. What is the actual composition of the DNDRC? i.e is there any
supervisory from the Govt. of Pakistan?

4. Is this an ICANN or IANA approved body? 

5. Here is a list of Approved Providers for Uniform Domain-Name
Dispute-Resolution Policy
http://www.icann.org/dndr/udrp/approved-providers.htm, I wounder why
this so called Domain Dispute Resolution Center is not there in this
list. 

I am very surprised to know that PKNIC is being control by Mr. Ashar
Nisar and DNDRC by Mr. Jamil &#38; Co? 

This all seems to be one man show in both organizations/companies.
Please correct me if I am wrong 

With Regards
Imtiaz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before answering any question or to explain any thing above, </p>
<p>I have few questions for which I am looking for answers. </p>
<p>1. What is actually DNDRC (Domain Dispute Resolution Center) ? Is this<br />
a reality or just a myth</p>
<p>2. Is this an Organization (non-profit base) or a private company?</p>
<p>3. What is the actual composition of the DNDRC? i.e is there any<br />
supervisory from the Govt. of Pakistan?</p>
<p>4. Is this an ICANN or IANA approved body? </p>
<p>5. Here is a list of Approved Providers for Uniform Domain-Name<br />
Dispute-Resolution Policy<br />
<a href="http://www.icann.org/dndr/udrp/approved-providers.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.icann.org/dndr/udrp/approved-providers.htm</a>, I wounder why<br />
this so called Domain Dispute Resolution Center is not there in this<br />
list. </p>
<p>I am very surprised to know that PKNIC is being control by Mr. Ashar<br />
Nisar and DNDRC by Mr. Jamil &amp; Co? </p>
<p>This all seems to be one man show in both organizations/companies.<br />
Please correct me if I am wrong </p>
<p>With Regards<br />
Imtiaz</p>
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		<title>By: Babar Bhatti</title>
		<link>http://telecompk.net/2008/04/21/djuicepk-goes-to-telenor/#comment-14523</link>
		<dc:creator>Babar Bhatti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Faried has made valid points.

Imtiaz - I hear what you are saying. I agree that the way this case was handled was not right. However given all the details, I do not think that the end result would have been different. Your readers will follow you regardless of the address change, its just a matter of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faried has made valid points.</p>
<p>Imtiaz - I hear what you are saying. I agree that the way this case was handled was not right. However given all the details, I do not think that the end result would have been different. Your readers will follow you regardless of the address change, its just a matter of time.</p>
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		<title>By: Umar</title>
		<link>http://telecompk.net/2008/04/21/djuicepk-goes-to-telenor/#comment-14476</link>
		<dc:creator>Umar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what I think, PKNIC did.

Telenor approached them with their demand. Instead of following procedure, they simply ignored Mr. Imtiaz Shafiq and went on with their action.

Considering the law and order situation in the country, they don't expect Mr. Imtiaz to be taking legal action against them. And they thought that whoever Mr. Imtiaz be, probability of him filling a suite against Telenor and PKNIC is quite low, so therefore its alright to let go of procedure and do as they want.

Mr. Imtiaz himself agrees to the fact that he would respect PKNIC's rules and regulations, but taking his blog away without notification and procedure is simply law of the jungle.

@ Mr. Imtiaz. I seriously suggest you to file a suite against PKNIC. As soon as higher ups of Telenor find out about this hitting the media, they will come running to you to find an amicable settlement. We do not have a very strong judiciary at the moment, but we do have improving media and it might just help your case. Therefore, my suggestion would be, if you think you have been wronged, don't leave everything on Allah before you have tried your 100% and first fought for it yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what I think, PKNIC did.</p>
<p>Telenor approached them with their demand. Instead of following procedure, they simply ignored Mr. Imtiaz Shafiq and went on with their action.</p>
<p>Considering the law and order situation in the country, they don&#8217;t expect Mr. Imtiaz to be taking legal action against them. And they thought that whoever Mr. Imtiaz be, probability of him filling a suite against Telenor and PKNIC is quite low, so therefore its alright to let go of procedure and do as they want.</p>
<p>Mr. Imtiaz himself agrees to the fact that he would respect PKNIC&#8217;s rules and regulations, but taking his blog away without notification and procedure is simply law of the jungle.</p>
<p>@ Mr. Imtiaz. I seriously suggest you to file a suite against PKNIC. As soon as higher ups of Telenor find out about this hitting the media, they will come running to you to find an amicable settlement. We do not have a very strong judiciary at the moment, but we do have improving media and it might just help your case. Therefore, my suggestion would be, if you think you have been wronged, don&#8217;t leave everything on Allah before you have tried your 100% and first fought for it yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Faried Nawaz</title>
		<link>http://telecompk.net/2008/04/21/djuicepk-goes-to-telenor/#comment-14438</link>
		<dc:creator>Faried Nawaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What's with all the boycott nonsense?  Check out the verifiable facts:

1. djuice.com.pk and telenor.com.pk (as well as djuice.net.pk, djuice.org.pk, telenor.net.pk, telenor.org.pk and several others) were registered by Telenor in July 2004.  Visit http://pknic.net.pk/ and do a domain lookup on them.

2. Telenor applied for the djuice trademarks in June 2005.  See the Domain Name Dispute Resolution Center's decision, section 5A.  If you still doubt it, have a lawyer pull up their trademark registration details.

3. Telenor launched djuice in Pakistan in March, 2006: http://telenor.com.pk/pressCenter/pressrelease.php?release=47&#38;lang=en.

4. The site with the blog was registered in July 2006.  Read the Domain Name Dispute Resolution Center's decision, section 1.  I can also provide raw dumps of the entire pk zone file for July 2006, and you can see when it went live (July 19).  I've given away the zone file in the past: http://pakng.wordpress.com/2007/08/08/pknic-stats/

I see no evidence that Telenor did anything wrong here.  If the owner of djuice.pk wasn't contacted, that's PKNIC or DNDRC's fault.  If you want to boycott someone, boycott PKNIC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s with all the boycott nonsense?  Check out the verifiable facts:</p>
<p>1. djuice.com.pk and telenor.com.pk (as well as djuice.net.pk, djuice.org.pk, telenor.net.pk, telenor.org.pk and several others) were registered by Telenor in July 2004.  Visit <a href="http://pknic.net.pk/" rel="nofollow">http://pknic.net.pk/</a> and do a domain lookup on them.</p>
<p>2. Telenor applied for the djuice trademarks in June 2005.  See the Domain Name Dispute Resolution Center&#8217;s decision, section 5A.  If you still doubt it, have a lawyer pull up their trademark registration details.</p>
<p>3. Telenor launched djuice in Pakistan in March, 2006: <a href="http://telenor.com.pk/pressCenter/pressrelease.php?release=47&amp;lang=en" rel="nofollow">http://telenor.com.pk/pressCenter/pressrelease.php?release=47&amp;lang=en</a>.</p>
<p>4. The site with the blog was registered in July 2006.  Read the Domain Name Dispute Resolution Center&#8217;s decision, section 1.  I can also provide raw dumps of the entire pk zone file for July 2006, and you can see when it went live (July 19).  I&#8217;ve given away the zone file in the past: <a href="http://pakng.wordpress.com/2007/08/08/pknic-stats/" rel="nofollow">http://pakng.wordpress.com/2007/08/08/pknic-stats/</a></p>
<p>I see no evidence that Telenor did anything wrong here.  If the owner of djuice.pk wasn&#8217;t contacted, that&#8217;s PKNIC or DNDRC&#8217;s fault.  If you want to boycott someone, boycott PKNIC.</p>
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		<title>By: Imran Yousaf</title>
		<link>http://telecompk.net/2008/04/21/djuicepk-goes-to-telenor/#comment-14235</link>
		<dc:creator>Imran Yousaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 04:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also bycot to Telenor and moved to ZONG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also bycot to Telenor and moved to ZONG</p>
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